A few weeks ago I wrote a post on the realistic expectations in Daygame and at the end I went over the quality someone could expect:
- 0 – 2 eights
- 6 – 8 sevens
- 2 – 6 sixes
That was for a guy who was hitting that advanced level of 12 lays a year (the 1%); it will be different for anyone getting below that number of lays of course. It’s also going to be variable depending on how attractive you are as a guy, which is what I’ll go through today, and where you live (but don’t give me any pussy paradise arguments). And to bring it up once again: forget the nines because they’re so impossibly rare and you need to have such a perfect storm to get them.
First, a quick prima. Male SMV is made up of your looks, status and charisma. Some examples:
- Looks: heights, bodyfat %, facial structure, muscularity
- Status: visible wealth, social circle
- Charisma: Game, likeability, leadership, vibe
Broadly speaking your looks provide the most r-selected value and your status provides the most k-selected value. There is some crossover to note such as a tan indicating that you have the means and time to holiday in warm locations (looks providing k-selected value) and your age (if a man is older he is implied to have higher status, but this will also amplify your dominance and give more r-selected value). Featuring in both r and k-selected value is your charisma.
Now to categorise the males. I like what Krauser said in Adventure Sex when he said that girls don’t really think in ratings like guys do. They think in terms of:
- Hot (hawt!)
And this is how I’d interpret those categories if we mapped them to a number. Note that I’m talking about r-selected sex and so these numbered ratings represent your r-selected value (looks plus crossover status plus charisma):
- Invisible: five and below; it doesn’t make sense for a girl who is at least a five to go anywhere near a guy who’s also a five when she can get fast sex from a six or better
- Dateable: six to seven
- Hot: eight
So at a higher level what this means is Daygame is all about male sixes, sevens and eights going after female sixes, sevens and eights.
Okay so what average quality can someone expect? Firstly there’s the issue that looks are distributed normally. That means that for every six there isn’t an equal number of sevens, and for every seven there isn’t an equal number of eights. In fact the amount decreases exponentially (there are less sevens than sixes, but there are even less eights than sevens). That is, for every deviation you move away from the mean (a five) the proportion is lower. In practice that means that your average quality is likely to be below your own rating.
Now let’s go through this and keep hypergamy in mind the whole way through:
A lot of guys will regurgitate the phrase that “Game is two points hotter” but from what I’ve seen that is such an anomaly that it isn’t true in practice. Maybe that would be true if looks were the only thing that mattered but they don’t: your status and charisma matter a whole bunch too. Bragging about your skill by purely comparing looks to looks is misleading.
In reality: “vibe is one or two points hotter” (and two points is the stretchiest of the absolute stretches that you can imagine). You have your r-selected value and then your vibe is the thing that fluctuates from day to day and is the thing that can get you the point hotter than your station. You can also say that there’s going to be extra r-selected value that a girl will attribute to you because you’re “just her type” (see my last post on having non-mainstream appeal but this does not mean that in moving away from having mainstream appeal you will get higher quality; by definition the guy with mainstream appeal is an eight and will do better than a six or seven with specific appeal).
It should also be said that the proportion of guys as you move from stage to stage is even less than for girls because of hypergamy. The incentive for a guy to be one point hotter is more than for a girl, because if a guy is only one iota better than his peers then he’ll take the lion’s share of the spoils. So (in a contrived example) there might be three female sevens to ten female sixes, but only two male sevens to ten male sixes, and so on. In practice and for all those nerds out there: male SMV is distributed normally but is platykurtic and has long tails. In English that means there are more weirdos and more GAMs in the male population.
For a male six
This guy’s average quality (add up the ratings and divide by the number of lays) is going to be slightly lower than six. For every seven that he lays there might be two fives (if he’s being totally honest with himself; male sixes have the most pressure to lie about their quality because of the stigma of claiming a five in the community).
For a male seven
The average quality will be slightly lower than seven (do you see the pattern here?). For every eight he lays there’ll be two or three sixes. Now, that means his average quality is going to be further below his own rating than for the six. Why is that? It’s sheer weight of population. Eights are rarer than sevens but not as rare as sevens are to sixes. The male seven simply has less to aim at unless he wants to slum it.
For a male eight
The average quality will be lower than eight and again the average quality will be further below his own rating. In practice nines are out of the question – though most possible for the male eight – as he’ll need that perfect storm of r-selected value, which includes his vibe on the day, and pure luck just to run into her. The male eight runs the highest risk of slumming it.
One thing that is vital to remember is: are you happy with your own results? If you are indeed “slumming it” but you don’t care about that then that’s what’s important. If you do care about other people accusing you of that then the only way out is to give yourself a quality floor and stick to it, but that will reduce your number of lays per year at the same time. The decision is up to you.
Another possibility is to only report stats for approach to lay for your rating and above. For me in the past few years that would have been (I consider myself a seven who can grow into an eight by 30):
- 2016/17: 102:1
- 2018: 91:1
- 2019: 71:1
Just some ideas for you there. Hopefully this post will clear some things up and continue to give guys some realistic expectations of what to expect from Daygame.
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