What Is Your Potential Quality In Daygame?

Last week I Tweeted (X’d?) the below and it got a lot of reactions; today I want to go through this in detail:

I've Daygamed with a lot of guys and seen the results of a lot of students and here's a harsh truth I've come to terms with:

Once you're proficient at DG your looks governs 80-90% of your potential quality, with the rest coming from luck, vibe, calibration and polarisation.

— Thomas Crown (@CrownDaygame) July 24, 2023

I’m sure that as some people read through this there’ll be mixed reactions ranging from “you’re spot on” to “you’re an idiot.” To the latter group I simply say:

“Believe what you want to believe, this is based on my experience. Outliers can exist but I’ve not met them yet and I reserve the right to want first hand evidence before believing something, especially when it doesn’t line up with my own experience.”

“Once you’re proficient at DG your looks govern 80-90% of your potential quality, with the rest coming from luck, vibe, calibration and polarisation.”

First let me give my definition of proficiency: to me it means that you know what to do on the street, on texting and on a date to at least close a majority of the Yes girls you come across (those who are both interested to a decent level and are available). With a few you’ll still make some silly mistakes – over or under escalate, for example, when you would normally make the right decision – and you can never escape bad luck. With Maybe girls you mostly screw up somehow, but you do get one every now and then. You would probably call these people intermediates.

In contrast, someone who hasn’t reached proficiency yet will make silly mistakes and not make it with a fair chunk of their Yes girls, and screw up with nearly all their Maybe’s: they will probably only close one of them through sheer luck. You would call these people beginners and lower intermediates.

The next part of this is to say that if you come from a place of having no Game to being proficient then the hotness of the girls you have sex with will probably be higher than pre-Game. Prior to Game you wouldn’t know what to do with any opportunities if you could even spot them. That meant you were left with girls who were making it easy for you: potentially just girls who only gave you green lights and put themselves on a plate. Likely these girls were into you just for who you were naturally or you were better looking than them. Or perhaps it came from a lucky situation where you were accidentally applying Game principles – maybe being the leader inside an ecosystem or even just inside one group of friends – or you had a sudden burst of confidence “that one night at the bar” which led to you taking a girl home. But now, knowing about Game and being able to apply it consistently, you can spot and act on signals which aren’t just glaringly obvious green ones and know how to act in an attractive way. You know what to do and with who.

Improving your Game should also make you somewhat more attractive: showing that you know what to do with a girl is in itself attractive because you’re showing you have had success with women in the past. You’re also showing off a bunch of attractive traits. A sliver of No’s become weak Maybe’s, a sliver of weak Maybe’s become strong Maybe’s and a sliver of strong Maybe’s become Yes girls.

Hotter girls, on average, will give you weaker shades of green and amber signals than regular girls because you’re not an obvious “I must have sex with this guy” guy to them. You’re going to have to prove your value to them. Now, with proficiency, at least you have a shot because you have a rough idea of what to do; beforehand, you would have almost certainly screwed things up.

But once you hit that level of proficiency, you’ve also hit the point of diminishing returns. Up until that point the hottest girl you might have been able to get might be one point hotter than your own looks. After that point, improvements in your Game will probably only lead to an extra half point in your potential quality at the extreme, and that is likely only going to come from moving to an SMP which prefers your archetype e.g. Daygaming mostly in the UK and then moving to or spending a lot of time in Eastern Europe. If you were to stay in the original location you might only get a maximum 0.25 increase.

Please don’t get me wrong here, though: I am not saying that “Game doesn’t work.” I’ve already explicitly stated that having Game can make you appear more attractive. I’m saying this because I’m sure that there are teddy-bear Daygamers – those that cling to the idea that Game is magic i.e. their teddy-bear – who are just itching to tell me I’m an idiot. They can’t stand the fact that the best they might be able to get is a girl who is a six. Really they’re just being triggered and this is them lashing out at me for telling them the truth. If the magic was real, if a 5.5/10 could really lay a true eight, then go and learn from that guy and come back and prove me wrong. I’m waiting! The big point I’m trying to make with this post is that your looks provide a window for your potential quality and improving your Game allows you to go further up that window. As a smart commenter said on Twitter: sales will get you so far, but you need to have a good product to back it up.

Here are the things I listed that can allow you to get hotter girls; here’s how they impact that:

• Luck: every lay involves a lot of luck anyway, but you just never know when you’ll encounter a girl who is really horny and/or you meet her at just the right time.
• Vibe: girls like guys who make them feel good, and so if you have good vibe and can share that feeling then you are more attractive as a man: more attractive men can get with more attractive girls.
• Calibration: knowing how to spot signals and acting on them will mean converting some of the girls who are showing lower initial interest (i.e. weak – mid Maybe’s) e.g. spotting IOI’s, if a girl is horny or bored, knowing when to escalate and how hard, etc.
• Polarisation: developing an archetype, of both look and personality, which most girls will dislike but some girls will really like. If you can present yourself to some girls as “just their type” then you can get the hotter girls of that population subset.

Just don’t get me wrong, except for luck, which is out of your control, these factors are not going to get your potential quality from 7/10 to 8 or 9/10. Girls will still block you off from sex if you are not a hypergamous opportunity.

I want to also draw attention to the fact I’m saying “potential” and not “average” quality. If all your ducks are in a row and you’re very lucky you might hit that ceiling. And hey, that’s fantastic. That’s a memory you’ll take to the grave and you might end up getting a few of those memories: ones which most guys only ever have one of if none. But I’m sorry to have to tell you that your average is probably going to be lower than your potential.

If you want a contrived example, if a guy was a 5.5/10 in looks (the lowest level of looks I recommend a guy trying Daygame begins with) then once he reaches proficiency he will be laying girls anywhere up to 6.5/10. If that sounds harsh, and those girls sound unattractive to you, then know this: most guys overrate their lays by at least a point, and so a true 6.5/10 is better looking than you think (remember: never trust pictures because of editing, filters and the fact that they are one of 100 taken that day; only trust your own eyes). Plus, to that 5.5/10 he will probably feel as if he won the lottery. Then if that same guy went ahead and improved his vibe, calibrated well and polarised, and moved to an SMP where his archetype was in high demand, he could maybe add another half a point to that potential quality: 7/10. That’s the kind of pairing where people will look and think “what’s this guy got going which I can’t see?”

Note that I’m talking about true ratings, not the ones you see on Twitter, which are, in most cases, overrated. Just ask yourself these two questions when guys talk about ratings online:

• If there were as many “stunners” out there as guys claimed, then why can’t you see them? (hint: she’s not a “stunner!” He’s just trying to make himself look good)
• If the guy claims he banged an 8/10 then what would an international model rate as? 13/10? (hint: he’s not seen many beautiful women before!)

I think the best way to consider what a guy means when he rates a girl is this:

• Six: the level below what a guy thinks he deserves
• Seven: the girl which a guy thinks he deserves
• Eight: the level above what a guy thinks he deserves
• Nine and Ten: the level he can only dream of

Overall: if a guy is rating a girl he’s often simply expressing her hotness in relation to his anchor, not a true rating.

To tie this whole section up, when I say “Once you’re proficient at DG your looks govern 80-90% of your potential quality, with the rest coming from luck, vibe, calibration[, moving location] and polarisation.” I’m literally saying:

By the time you’re an intermediate you will already have seen 80-90% of your potential quality gains from Game. You only have another 10-20% of potential quality to squeeze out and it will come from luck, vibe, calibration, moving location and polarisation.

“When it comes to averages: If another guy is even only 1/2 a point more attractive than you, your top 1/3 of achievable quality equals his middle 1/3.”

I’ve seen this with my own lying eyes: wings of mine who are only a half point more attractive than me will have an average quality which is in my top third, and no amount of improving my Game will ever change that. The flipside to this is that wings of mine who are only a half point worse looking than me will have my average quality as their top tier, so there’s always balance.

Let that fact set you free. There’s a reason why your better looking wings get hotter girls than you and given that your genetics are set – yes you can, and should, lose weight, build muscle, have good style and take care of yourself, but that only goes so far – it’s largely out of your control. When something’s out of your control then you should try to accept it and learn to live in the world you were born in. Guys who are better looking than you have all the benefits of growing up better looking: they get positive reactions and build more positive reference experiences; they are perceived to have better personalities and get more job offers; they are perceived to be more trustworthy; etc, etc.

Don’t get me wrong and think I’m saying this to get you to give up. In fact, I had a few replies on the original tweet of “so I should just give up then” and, naturally, I made fun of them because if you’re a quitter then you don’t deserve to do well. I’m saying these things so that guys accept their situations and from that point can work to make themselves better with realistic expectations, not ones set by magic thinking. And like I said before, if you really did everything in your power to explore your quality window then some of the girls you would get would be huge boosts to your self-esteem (the feeling of winning the lottery).

Overall, as much as we want to believe that it’s all about confidence, leagues really do exist. That doesn’t mean Game doesn’t work though – it will let you get better in the league that you exist in – but it’s not going to help you break out of it. The most effective and consistent way to get into a higher league is to become better looking. I include the word consistent there because temporary states like being in great vibe might allow you to exist in a league above your own for a while, but you will eventually come back down (but no, don’t misunderstand me here, vibe is not magic either and I don’t care how many “positive reactions” you’ve seen a guy get on the street: only P in V matters).

“When it comes to quantity:

– good Game (calibration) let’s you spot and capitalise on more opportunities and getting a girl excited can expand her pre-existing interest

– good looks will get more girls for obv reasons

– if your archetype match is in high supply and promiscuous”

What about quantity? It’s more mixed:

To use a football analogy, Good Game (calibration) will let you take more scorable shots on goal (by approaching the right girls) and improve those shots’ accuracy (more of those approaches will lead to success), but it doesn’t mean that the majority of your lays will be 40 yard screamers.

Adding to that, from the factors from earlier: being luckier and having a better vibe will lead to more lays with the same quality of girls as well as giving a slight contribution to quality. Polarisation/developing a strong archetype can contribute to quantity if your archetype match is in high supply or if your pre-polarisation archetype is in less demand than your post-polarisation one. Sorry that that sentence is confusing so here’s an alternative way of saying it: don’t polarise if you already have strong mainstream appeal!

And of course, becoming better looking will also lead to more lays as you make yourself more attractive to the girls already under your potential quality and as you include new girls under your new potential quality.

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I guess this all comes down to the age old question of “looks versus Game.” Well, I hope everyone reading this doesn’t think in such a black and white way – maybe a black and red way? – and that everyone should come to the reasonable conclusion that you should try and max both.

But what I really wanted to highlight with this post, and with that original tweet, is that Game is not magic and that there are genuinely girls out of each and every guy’s reach. Myself included. Guys ought to stop with this magical thinking that the mosquito will beat Mike Tyson in a boxing match “if he just had tight enough Game” and that each guy’s potential quality is governed by the window set by his looks. Nonetheless, you owe it to yourself to do your best within your window.

Yours unfaithfully,

Thomas Crown

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